70mm light infantry gun mounted on a MU-4 tankette. Only proposal was made during development of the tankette. (1931)
MU-4 tankette made by Škoda after its failed MU-2 predecessor. Also known as Š-I (later redesignated to T-1). Single prototype of MU-4 was made and tested during 1932, when it lost to Praga's P-I, which then entered service as Tančík vz.33 tankette. Meanwhile the MU-4 was offered to other countries, most notably Yugoslavia, where it first lost the competititon, but after some improvements later actually won against both P-I and Polish TK-3 in 1934. The order for vehicles however never came. Quite interestingly for it's time, the consturction was welded. Prototype somehow survived the war and now sits in Army Museum in Lešany (CZ).
The proposal for mounting a 70mm howitzer on the chasis came during development in late 1931, probably as a way to widen the use of the vehicle. And it stayed at that. The gun propset is 70mm light infantry gun originally developed by for Lithuania. And that's about it. I don't have the source book so all info on 70mm variant comes from FTR article by SilentStalker.
I'd guess that the vehicle had no radio and gun shield thickness is merely my guess. Other than that, probably pretty historical. Stock engine was used on MU-2 as well as on MU-4, but was later switched for the 40hp one.
Gun is the same gun as 70mm BA-1 on tier 2 medium. (Nerfed PEN, because SPG.)
Gun is the weakest SPG gun out there, but at least sports good accuracy and RoF. Also the vehicle is mobile enough to engage in TD mode. (Although while you'll be likely to hit an enemy, this is not the sort of gun to necesserily ruin their day.)
1946 Proposal from Škoda to mount German leFH 18 on G-13 chasis. Desipte some later interest by the army, the project was never realized.
1946 Proposal from Škoda to mount German leFH 18 on G-13 chasis. Desipte some later interest by the army, the project was never realized. Zb 16051-P and Zb 16052-P refers to technical drawings of respectively 18N and 18/40N versions. (15cm version proposal also existed.)
Not sure about G-13 radios. Engine upgrade in consideration, wouldn't be historical with G-13 though.
I'm assuming standard G-13 frontal armor thickness. Might've been less for this project.
Decent tier 3 SPG with meh mobility but good frontal armor. Use in TD mode somewhat hindred by lack of any gun depression. Second gun provides some soft buffs (accuracy, aim time, shell speed).
Prototype of 15cm howitzer mounted on JagdPanzer 38(t) chasis, made in 1944.
Prototype built by BMM (ČKD) in 1944, allegedly 30 series vehicles may have been built in Germany, but seems unlikely. Bergepanzer 38(t) chasis was used for the prototype.
Dunno about Radios, the stock gun is kind of there for grinding purposes. Second engine was not used on the prototype, however it was used on some other JgPz 38(t) based projects.
Unlike the Voss II, this vehicle has very bad mobility. Still the armor is quite tough. Superstructure is 20mm.
Wartime project by Škoda-Werke to mount 15cm howitzer on T-21 chasis.
Wartime project by Škoda Werke. Not much is known, apparently there was a wooden model.
Radios - no idea as usual. Different sources note different vehicle basis (T-21/22/23M). The 10.5cm howitzer was not known to be part of this project, but the vehicle could use something to grind trough, and it was proposed to be mounted on this chasis in other projects.
Not much is known, so thre is a lot of area for balancing, but basically probably not much different from German Sturmpanzer II. Don't ask me why does the 15cm gun less alpha than 105mm - the guns are already in the game like that. I haven't really played with the 15cm in the game, but I'd assume high shell trajectory followed by roof-raping.
1946 Proposal from Škoda to mount a 15cm howitzer on T-22 chasis. The project was rejected as bad and outdated.
1946 Proposal from Škoda to mount German 15cm sFH 18 on T-22 chasis. The project was rejected as outdated. Similiar versions with 10.5cm leFH 18 guns also existed.
T-22 is improved T-21, single prototype without turret was made. The project was further developed into T-23M.
Radios - no idea as usual. No idea how different were the 10.5cm versions, drawings look pretty similiar, but the drawing numbers are not exactly close. Stock engine is T-21 engine.
Top gun is Hummel gun, so it should do rather well on tier 5. No gun depression though.
Self-proppeled howitzer on T-25 chasis was a project from 1942. Wooden mockup for at least the 10.5cm version existed.
Wartime project by Škoda Werke for self-propelled howitzer based on T-25 chasis, blueprint dated to 1942. Turreted. 105mm versiion also existed.
Radios - no idea as usual, copied from T-25. Side armor numbers are just me guessing. I assume 360 rotation in the turret.
Rather tall, but turreted, with 5 degrees of gun depression and decent mobility. Kinda like the french one.
15cm sFH 18 altered for use of Soviet 152mm ammunition, mounted on Hummel chasis. 12 such vehicles entered service in 1950.
In 1948, 17 Hummels were gathered, 15 of which were deemed repairable. In the end, 12 vehicles were repaired, their guns rebored for 152,4mm Soviet ammunition. The vehicles served in the army since 1950. The machines eventualy broke down again and were used for spare parts for other Pz IV based vehicles. By 1955 they were no longer listed among their units' equipment.
Historical. Radios taken from German Hummel.
Not really that different from German Hummel - different top gun is to be slightly better, uses historical engine though, so not as fast.
15cm sFH 18 altered for use of Soviet 152mm ammunition, mounted on Panther chasis. Originally suggested in 1947, the project was cancelled in 1950 before the prototype was finished.
When the Czechoslovak army was re-establishing its tank force after the war, it was also left with one working Panther tank (and 65 more repairable ones). These were to serve in heavy tank role. First Panther went through general repairs in 1947 and it was decided to repair 40 more Panthers along with 14 Bergerpanthers. 13 Bergepanzers entered service shortly after. Repair of combat Panther were postponed to years 1951-52, after which the army had 32 Panthers in working order. They have however never entered into service - some were eventualy rebuild into recovery vehicles, the rest was scrapped.
Mounting the 15cm howitzer on Panther chasis was an idea from Feb 1947. VTÚ and Škoda agreed on building 2 prototypes and 2 variants with different turrets were presented in documentation sent to VTÚ in July. In August VTÚ changed their request to a single vehicle mounted with 105mm leFH 18. That prototype was finished in 1949, but disassembled in 1950. Chasis was then rebuilt into recovery vehicle.
Historical. Radios taken from German Panther. Turret armor - unknown levels of paper.
Same guns as previous vehicle, but with a 360 turret and armor on chasis. Lacks gun depression.
240mm mortar B-36 "Kominík" mounted on T-54 chasis. Developed between 1957-1959, never realized.
Couldn't find much info on this, or at least on the gun, beyond about 1 not very ... usual source. For all I know the guns may not even be rifled, although the source states otherwise.
Anyways, during Varsaw Pact summit in Moscow in 1957 it was reccomended to develop a 240mm mortar based on the 160mm Klokan. Development started in Konštrukta Trenčín in 1958 and one of the variants was the self-proppeled version using a T-54 chasis. The chasis should have very little armor as the vehicle weight was to be under 26 tons. Development was stopped in 1959.
The gun was to be stabilized and fired from angle 45° upwards, which is not an option in WoT. Also it is presumed that someone will prepare the area behind the gun for the mechanism, so that may also affect available firing angles. Obviously it could not shoot on the go, but same is true for other arties in the game... I think.
Comparable to american T92, this piece can ruin your day and can in fact one-shot low-tier vehicles, however the gun is extremely unweildy - both accuracy and aim time are atrocious, just as the reload time is. The speed may suggest point-blank attacks, but splash damage would fuck you up as well. Note that the gun is mounted towards the back of T-54 - it could drive in reverse like Crusader SP.
After the war the Czechoslovak army was left with number of Marder III vehicles, which entered the service under the designation ST-II. They were however quickly phased out of service.
Germans turned many obsolete light tank plaforms into Marder family self-proppeled guns. Marder III series were based on TNH chasis of LT vz 38/ Panzer 38(t). Both Ausf. H and Ausf. M versions entered the army nder the designation ST-II. Unlike the ST-I, no more of these were built and they were quikly phased out.
This is simply the historical Marder III Ausf. M. Ausf. H was also known under this designation, but that is already in the game as Marder 38T and most of the ST-II vehicles were the Ausf. M variant. The difference is in position of the casemate: Ausf H has in at the middle, while Ausf M has it in the back.
It's Marder 38T with different casemate layout and stock engine.
Succesor to Š-I-D gun tankette. Developed for Yugoslavia in 1937 with prototype made in 1938. While the vehicle passed the trials in 1940, Yugoslavia changed their mind about using vehicles of this class and no more were built.
Yugoslavia wasn't satisfied with Š-I-D tankette, which led to development of bigger, more powerful Š-I-j. Developed in 1937 with prototype made in 1938. Despite some issues with its engine, the vehicle passed the trials in 1940. Order for 108 vehicles was however cancelled, as Yugoslavia changed their demands. Meanwhile the prototype got renamed to T-3D under German rule and in 1943 it was bought by SS.
Top setup is historical (maybe except the radio, as usual). Stock modules represent Š-I-d engine and gun. (Š-I-d was predecessor to Š-I-D. Š-I-D had 60hp engine and slightly altered A3 gun.)
Not very mobile, but stealthy, with reasonably good armor at distance, good signal range and decent gun.
Tankette developed in 1933. It had 4.7cm gun in fully rotating turret, but very thin armor. The vehicle was then rebuilt as a gun carrier with dual-purpose (AA/AT) Z-1 40mm gun. Since army had no inerest in such vehicle, the project was cancelled in 1934.
Third attempt on tankette after MU-2 and MU-4 built in 1933 had fully rotating turret with 4.7mm gun and resembled a light tank rather than takette. However 5mm of armor made it too bad for this role. Škoda rebuilt it to weapons carrier with 40mm Z-1 AA/AT gun, but army had no interest in such vhicle and so the projet wss cancelled in 1934.
Late version of MU-6 tankette. Radio is guesswork as usual. Stock engine is from MU-4, stock gun is from early version. There seem to be 3 different specs for this vehicle. For now I'll go with this one.
No armor whatsoever, but deals possible 200 dmg in a burst. Accuracy is good, but gun has kinda long aim time and big bloom after shooting, making only the first shot accurate, unless you take time to reaim again. If player doesnt aim, 4 shells can leave the gun in about 1-1.5 second. Radio sucks.
Project of 7.5cm self-propelled anti-tank gun on T-21(22/23M) chasis designed in 1941. Wooden model was built.
Project of 7.5cm self-propelled anti-tank gun on T-21(22/23M) chasis designed in 1941, probably on Wermacht request, for export to allied nations. Only wooden model was built.
Two 75mm guns are mentioned as planned for the vehicles by various sources - A16 seems to be the more likely one. The 10.5cm howitzer gun was not planned for this vehicle in particular, however there was a post-war propsal for a very similiar T-22/23M based vehicle using this gun, and another one with same gun and concept based on Turán chasis, which was also based on T-21 chasis.
Engines are taken from various T-21/22/23M prtotypes. Radios are guesswork.
Similiar to tier 4 StuG. Bigger target, but better gun depression and RoF.
After the war, the Jagdpanzer 38(t) became the main tank destroyer of Czechoslovak army under the designation ST-I and more were built for export. During the years 1950-1951 army looked into option of upgunning the vehicle with 76.2mm A19 gun. Project was cancelled along with the development of A19 gun. Soviet 85mm was also considered.
Jagdpanzer 38(t) entered the Czechoslovak army under the designation ST-I. Some 158 vehicles were exported to Switzerland as G13 and 11 more ended in Guinea. In 1950 the army started to looking for a way to upgun the vehicles as tech from USSR was not available yet. The 76mm A19 gun developed in Škoda was considered, but he development of the gun was cancelled. Other considered gun was the 85mm used on Soviet T-34s - that project was cancelled as well.
First gun was used on Jagdpanzer 38(t) prototype, on Starr versions and also on some export post-war vehicles, once the manufacturer ran out of the standard gun. Second gun is the historical standard gun of Jagdpanzer 38(t). 76mm A19 and Soviet 85mm are the guns considered for instalation post-war.
Engines: stock is historical Jagdpanzer 38(t) engine. Second was used on Starr series. Last engine was used on Kätzchen prototypes - recon vehicle / APC also based on the TNH nA chasis.
Faster than Hetzer thanks to better engines available, however the gun handling is bad on both new guns. The 85mm should be cheaper to research and run, but lacking in penetration and accuracy. The 76mm is more accurate, has better PEN, although slightly worse alpha. The tank stays very small and stealthy, though the armor isn't worth as much anymore.
Post-war project of light tank destroyer similiar in construction the Jagdpanzer 38(t) but built on a new chasis. Proposed in 1948, existed only on paper - project was cancelled in 1950/51.
Project for tank destroyer with construction similiar to Jagdpanzer 38(t), based on the LP chasis (originally planned for T 17 light tank) proposed by Škoda was one of several projects that came to existence in 1948 during the meeting of Škoda and CS army representatives. It was to be fast, small, lightly armored, armed with 76.2mm A19 Škoda gun. In early 1950s this and all related projects were cancelled and Czechoslovakia started using and license-building Soviet vehicles.
Radios are guesswork. Stock gun was planned on practically the same vehicle as self-propelled light howitzer. Engines taken from T 17, for which the top one was planned.
There were also turreted variants of thse vehicles with same armanent and less armor - I'm using those as light tanks.
Kinda like the previous TD, but faster, with much improved gun handling. Not quite the pew-pew of E25 though.
License-produced SU-100. Between 1953 and 1957 total of 771 vehicles were built in Czechoslovakia - 460 built for ČSLA, rest was exported to various Soviet allies. Back in 1950 installing A20 100mm gun into SU-100 was considered, such vehicles were however never built.
What the short history says. I'm getting tired of writing this stuff and all important is in the summary anyways. Only visual difference to SU-100 are flat mudguards. SU-100 has rounded mudguards.
Well, stock gun is the historical gun. Top gun is the proposed A20. Radios are... actually historical for SD-100 it seems. Stock engine is from SD-100, top from SU-100.
SU-100 with punchier gun. Good accuracy and RoF.
Post-war project of tank destroyer similiar in construction the Jagdpanzer 38(t), built on TVP chasis. Proposed in 1948, existed only on paper - project was cancelled in 1950/51.
Project for tank destroyer with construction similiar to Jagdpanzer 38(t), based on the TVP chasis. Proposed by Škoda was one of several projects that came to existence in 1948 during the meeting of Škoda and CS army representatives. It was to be fast, lightly armored, armed with 100mm A20 Škoda gun. In early 1950s this and all related projects were cancelled and Czechoslovakia started using and license-building Soviet vehicles.
Radios are guesswork. Stock gun is the one planned, second gun is basically the longer AA version of the same gun. AK1 is a 100mm AT gun developed for TVP alongside the A20. I wanted to keep the AK1 gun exclusive for MTs, but what the hell - this TD will need it on tier 8. Engines taken from ingame TVP T-50 to give it good speed.
There were also turreted variants of the vehicle with same armanent and less armor - that is basically the tier 9 TD.
Huge E-25. The R11 gun sports better accuracy and DPM, while AK1 provides autoloader bursts with slightly more penetration. Decent camo, shit armor, pretty fast.
Post-war project of tank destroyer with fully rotating open turret, built on TVP chasis. Proposed in 1948, existed only on paper - project was cancelled in 1950/51.
Project for turreted tank destroyer with gun in fully rotating open turret, based on the TVP chasis. Proposed by Škoda as one of several projects that came to existence in 1948 during the meeting of Škoda and CS army representatives. It was to be fast, lightly armored, armed with 100mm AT gun (variant with 152mm howitzer also existed). In early 1950s this and all related projects were cancelled and Czechoslovakia started using and license-building Soviet vehicles.
Engines, radios taken from TVP T-50. The 100mm gun are more or less same as on the previous vehicle. The top autoloader is however a "new" gun.
Historicaly, the A20 was the intended gun for this project + there was practically identical project for 152mm howitzer. The rest of the guns are A20 sister projects (R11 is AA variant, AK1 is another 100mm AT gun developed alongside A20 for TVP project).
R11 se zásobníkem is what R11 originally was: AA gun with loading mechanism for 5 shells. Ammo used is taken from AK1 (APCR) to buff the penetration - no idea how historical it is, but it's already there.
Over 30 hp/t makes it quite fast with single shot gun, although the very heavy top gun tones that down to still very healthy 26.6 hp/t. The armor is paper and HP pool is on a low-ish side of things, but it also has fully traversible turret (not as fast as TVP T-50, not as slow as usual TD turrets either) and decent camo ratings. And nice selection of guns:
Single shot R11 has best gun handling and DPM over 2500. AK1 turns this vehicle into TVP T-50, although with inferior handling and survivability (less armor, smaller HP pool, worse traverse rates). The top gun, autoloaded R11 does not have as good soft stats as single shot, but provides nice penetration, burst potential, slightly better DPM (cca 2400 on R11auto, cca 2350 with AK1), which are worth the extra reload time - reload between shots is 2.3s though.
Post-war project of SPG in fully rotating open turret, built on TVP chasis. Proposed in 1948, existed only on paper - project was cancelled in 1950/51.
Project for turreted self-proppeled howitzer with gun in fully rotating open turret, based on the TVP chasis. Proposed by Škoda as one of several projects that came to existence in 1948 during the meeting of Škoda and CS army representatives. It was to be fast and lightly armored. In early 1950s this and all related projects were cancelled and Czechoslovakia started using and license-building Soviet vehicles.
Engines, radios taken from TVP T-50. The gun is... well, the 152mm howitzer to be used on TVP-based wasn't specified besides it's HE capabilities and approximate length, although it's generally accepted that K7 howitzer was planned for these vehicles. I've decided to use a generic 152mm howitzer name, which gives a leeway for some acceptably fake gun properties. I expect the gun to shoot HEAT as both standard and premium ammo.
Other than the ammo, it's basically te same vehicle as the one on tier 9. More specifically 5914 was to mount 100mm AT gun while 5913 was to mount 152mm howitzer - the guns come with different mounts so there's also that. But effectively the same thing otherwise.
J2 gun is not particularly historial for this vehicle, but after seeing the 10.5cm guns on Swiss projects... what the hell, might as well be an option.
Practically the same vehicle as Zb5914-S, just different gun ammo.
The gun wont be the most accurate and will be more fitting for suprise peekaboo. Interesting choice should be the use of HE shells. Buffing the HE damage output to top tier JP Heavy levels should make this quite an interesting gun.
Added J2 gun as alternative - it has more PEN, better accuracy and AP is more reliable for sniping. Weight however goes at least to 40 tons, meaning considerable nerf to the vehicle p/w ratio (25 hp/t), also turret traverse should suffer for it greatly. Stock gun retains higher HE damage for variability.
Finding the most fitting top tier tank destroyer for czechoslovak line has been the most problematic issue with this proposal, as Czechoslovakia never had the need for guns, let alone vehicles, that could fulfill this role. So far I've came over these:
Škoda R11 with autoloader (100mm): Top gun on the tier 9 TD has sufficient enough penetration, but the alpha seems silly for a tier X TD, even if the autoloader provides decent burst. There is also an issue of what would sit on tier 9, if this was tier 10, not to mention that the vehicle wouldn't really be all that different from tier X medium. Zb5914-S with this gun would be suitable enough tier X TD, aforementioned issues keep me from choosing this option.
Soviet D-30 (122mm): This is ultimately a howitzer, so HEAT shells would also be necessary. Vehicles using this gun include Gvozdika. This is good enough vehicle for tier X TD (at least in my opinion) and it was used by ČSLA in numbers. However it is a Soviet vehicle - Czechoslovakia never built, nor modified it in any way.
Other D-30 vehicles with some connection to Czechoslovakia include Egyptian and Syrian T-34/85 SPG conversions. It's unlikely that CS had anything to do with those vehicles besides providing the tanks, also slow, measly armored T-34s wouldn't really work on tier X.
Škoda R14 (130mm): Heavy AA gun was never meant to have AT variant like R11 did, nor was it planned as self-proppeled. The gun is huge and heavy and there's no suitable chasis for it. I'm adding it here since long time ago Silentstalker made a fake TVP-based waffentrager using this gun.
Czechoslovak 152mm DANA self-proppeled artillery is a Czechoslovak bulit and designed machine, which is a great plus. There are however several issues with this: the gun only can do HEAT against armored targets, it used wheeled chasis, and - although capable of it - DANA is not really suited for direct fire. Plus it's a huge, lightly armored turret. Still I've made a fake along the lines of Slovak A40 Himalaya with DANA turret on T-55A chasis. But that's a fake alright.
Czechoslovak 152mm J2 heavy gun would be a great gun for tier X TD (think BL-10 with better accuracy and ~320mm ingame pen), but it was never finished, nor planned to be mounted on a vehicle. The towed version had projected weight at over 12 tons. The issue comes with the vehicle that could actually mount this gun. Three come close enough:
TSD-152 is simply the Czechoslovak army designation for ISU-152. ISU-152 has sucessfully mounted the BL-10 with no problems regarding it's weight. And while J2 would be longer and heavier, chances are that ISU would be able to hande this gun with little modifications at worst. However ISU is slow and badly armored for tier X and the vehicle would struggle with even tier 9, since whatever it may've gained on ISU with gun would be lost on historical engine and shitty p2w ratio. Historical TSD-152 with the original derp would however make a nice tier 7, maybe even tier 8 premium.
Zb 5922-S TVP-based Hetzer-like self-proppeled 152mm howitzer is in a way quite similiar to TSD-152. Judging from the drawings, some modifications would be needed to reliably fit the J2 on this vehicle and even then the gun handling would be bad. Still a possibility I suppose.
Zb 5913-S (this is basically this vehicle with J2 as its gun) TVP-based Hellcat-like self-proppeled 152mm howitzer adds a fully rotatable turret to the speed of Zb5922-S. The J2 gun would have enough space in general, since the turret is open from both top and the back, although it is worthwhile to say, that the turret isn't tall enough to cover the whole gun mount and breech from sides. The weight and length of the gun would also almost certainly be too much for the fairly lightweight turret - a new (fake) turret would be needed - taller one, with hefty counterweight at the back. Silentstalker propsed this combination long time ago, I just personally don't see it as realistic, not without changing the turret.
AH-IV tankettes based on TNH design were exported in several variants to Persia, Romania, Sweden and Etiopia - over 150 AH-IV tankettes were built between 1935 and 1950. Besides the produced vehicles, there were also few unrealized project variants. At least one of them, AH-IV-C (1936 offered to Lithuania, later to Sweden), was supposed to mount a 20mmm Oerlikon gun.
Tankette based on TNH-style suspension was first built for Persia (AH-IV-P) - 50 vehicles were built between 1936 and 1937. Meanwhile, Romania and Sweden also got interested in those vehicles and AH-IV-R became known as the Romanian R-1 (35+ vehicles) and Sweden accepted AH-IV-Sv as Strv m/37 (48). Etiopia bought about 20 in late 1940s.
When Lithuania started looking for some armor at the end of 1935, Praga responded with AH-IV-C - an AH-IV variant with 20mm Oerlikon gun. In the end Lithuania chose to buy some tanks from Vickers and AH-IV-C never came to existence. Later when Sweden became interested in AH-IV, the AH-IV-C was again mentioned, along with possibility of AH-IV-D, which was supposed be a "bigger, heavier version" - I have no more info on that though. In the end Sweden chose to use modified AH-IV-R instead.
There was no radio on early AH-IV vehicles. Also I don't have any idea how the turret might've looked. The pic is a simple montage. The rest is based on AH-IV-P wich should be the basis for AH-IV-C. Gun elevatiin/depression are effectively balance parameters here.
Good ground resistances and maneuverability, nice viewrange and workable penetration on the 20mm autocanon should make this pretty decent gift tank. Gun handling and soft stats not so great though.
New tank conception designed by Tatra in 1936, that evetually got patented and turned into project. Point of the concept was to have maximum armor with minimal weight, good visibility for driver and effective space ergonomy with everything inside one big, well armored turret. Project planed to use double chasis of T-78 (T-III), but as T-III turned out to be a complete failure, no prototypes were ever built.
New tank conception designed by Tatra in 1936, that evetually got patented and turned into project. Point of the concept was to have maximum armor with minimal weight, good visibility for driver and effective space ergonomy with everything inside one big, well armored turret. Project planed to use double chasis of T-78 (T-III), but as T-III turned out to be a complete failure - especially the engine, no prototypes were ever built. In 1938 patent was awarded to Tatra for this tank conception.
Pretty historical, maybe except the radio.
The tank isn't very fast, but it's not slow either and would have very good p2w ratio for decently armored medium. The turret makes it a big target and the tank wouldn't have good camo, but it would have very good viewrange.
Interesting feature of the tank is its front - there is no chasis in front of turret, although tracks make it look a bit like there is, meaning that many noobs may shoot you there for no damage (outside detrack).
Small gun in tall turret means very good gun depression - easily 15, possibly even 20 degrees. There would still be a big piece of turret above the gun to shoot at when working ridges though. Armor is good enough to bounce most of the low-caliber guns, especially if angled.
Evolution of LT vz.35 made for Yugoslavia, using bigger gun in newly designed turret. One prototype was built in 1940, but in the end the vehicle never entered production.
Developed for Yugoslavia after its predecessor broke down during trials. Designed in 1938-39, prototype built in 1940. Yugoslavia eventually lost interest in the tank.
Should be historically accurate. Radio might've been different.
Fairly slow for a light tank, the armor won't stop much either, but the gun has nice penetration and damage.
Failed competition to the Praga/ČKD P-II that entered the army service as LT vz 34. Designed in 1933, prototype was built and tested in 1934. Some of its technical solutions were later used on more successful Š-II-a (LT vz 35).
Škoda's answer to P-II tank that became LT vz 34. Designed in 1933, prototype was built and tested in 1934. By then everyone already knew that 15mm of armor is garbage (it was the main issue with P-II after all), so no one gave a fuck about tank with same armor and worse gun tat came 2 years later. Some of its parts may have been later used in building the Š-IIa prototype (LT vz 35). Š-II was more of a testbed for new tech.
Pretty accurate imo. Radio is a guess, as usual.
Reasonable mobility and gun, no armor. Kinda crappy gun accuracy and RoF, though. Fairly average tank overall is my tier 2 gift tank candidate. Mainly bacause it doesn't look as much as every other pre-war Czechoslovak tank out there, also because the alterantives were kinda shitty.
Project for amphibious tank from 1954 from factory in Martin was positively evaluated in Soviet Union. Nontheless, further development was stopped in 1956. Only models for hydrostatic testing were made.
This was design for a amphibious tank requested in 1954, based off different amphibious vehicle and to be using the 57mm autoloader. Several models were built to measure its hydrodynamic properties and the project was sent to Soviet Union for evaluation. The evaluation ended favourably: Soviets suggested installing a bigger gun (either 76 or 85mm) and weaker engine (the 200hp V-6), but overall considered the project to be better than Soviet PT-76. Regardless, the project was scrapped in 1956.
There were two models of the vehicle - one on the picture and other with a pike nose. I would suggest using the one with the pike nose as it looks better and will probably have better gun depression.
Stock configuration with V-2 engine is the original proposed setup. (Again, radio is guesswork.)
Gun upgrades correspond to Soviet suggestion to upgun the project.
The second turret is fake - basically an enlarged version of original turret to provide some gun depression for the 76mm and 85mm guns. I don't really think that the stock turret could actually take an 85mm gun in a meaningful way and turret redesign would have to happen if that gun was to be used imo - that's all there is to it. It's really just my guesstimate - could be removed, should WG feel extra historical, but for now I'll keep it there.
Quite a big scout. Has great specific power and top speed and resistances and good RoF. The tank has no armor a won't take ramming well at all. Gun depression sucks, but other handling stats are good and DPM is relatively great. Although the turret itself is quite low-profile, the hull is in fact taller than T-54 hull. It's kinda like Skautpanther with better gun that cannot ram things. Or bounce things >_>
Frankly, I don't like it. It's huge target with no armor - literally a huge xp pinata, guns have bad gun depression because of the low-profile turret. Soft stats should be padded as possible.
WG is generally against adding amphibious vehicles into the game, although imo as long as no one expects them to actually float, they might not care too much about that.
Škoda prototype for a breakthrough tank requested by Czechoslovak army in 1929. Development started in 1931 as wheel-cum-track design. In 1933 Škoda had a prototype, however the issues with wheel-cum-track suspension were obvious by then and the army changed their requirements in 1934.
In 1929 the Czechoslovak army requested a new breakthourgh vehicle (class III) of whell-cum-track design. By 1931 Škoda, ČKD, and Tatra entered the contest, although ČKD soon pulled out, deeming the project unperspective. Škoda managed to make some seroius progress with their KSÚ project and army expected a prototype by 1934. However after the progress checks in 1933 revealed many problems with the wheel-cum-track solution, the army reconsidred and updated the project requirements in 1934.
All modules are historical except for the second tracks. Wheels are removed from the tank model as those are not acceptable or needed for WoT - the second suspension simulates the weight loss on removal of wheel mechanism - thus gaining some specific power - that's purely theoretical though. With stock tracks the vehicle should weigh 16.4 t. Top speed is taken from the following Š-III prototype (after dropping the wheels for armor and firepower). The 16mm of armor is based on orginal army requirements.
The tank is slowish, has shitty armor (compensated by HP), but the 70mm howitzer can wreak some havoc, especially on this tier. Plays kinda like tier 2 JP tanks. Or slightly weaker Grosstraktor that only sees T3 tanks tops.
Medium tank Škoda developed for Czechoslovak army. It wasn't quite finished in time to compete against V-8-H developed by ČKD (ST vz 39), but it was further improved and in 1940 the T-21 licence was sold to Hungary, which mass produced the vehicle from 1942 with some modifications as 40.M Turán. Škoda continued to improve the design with prototypes T-22 and T-23M, however no more vehicles were manufactured.
This tank was developed as Š-IIc, based on the experience from Š-III and ŠP-IIb projects. Development started in 1936 and prototype was made in 1937. As previous medium tank attempts it had problems with the engine and in the end the issues weren't solved soon enough to compete against ČKD V-8-H (ST vz 39) for new Czechoslovak medium tank.
Škoda continued to work on the prototype, which eventually came to be a rather good tank. By that time the cuntry was already under german occupation and the project was renamed to T-21. While Germans didn't show much interest in the tank, they allowed it to be offered to friendly states. Romania, Hungary and Italy all showed interest in the tank and Škoda was willing to deliver, however Germany decided that Škoda factories will only by used for German production. The company thus offered a production license, however only Hungary had resources and technology to license-produce the vehicle. And eventually, in 1942, they did just that - the hungarian medium tank 40.M Turán is a license produced T-21 with some T-22 upgrades, 40mm gun and other local modifications.
T-22 was a turretless prototype from 1940. For a while it seemed that Germans might actually want a tank based on this vehicle, but in the end war situation changed their mind. A tank destroyer Voss I with 75mm gun and SPG Voss II with 15cm howitzer were designed on the chasis, but were never built.
T-23M was the last of the Š-IIc prototypes. It was developed along with T-22, having 50mm of frontal armor and simpler, more reliable chasis. By 1942 it was a very reliable but also outdated machine.
In the end the remaining prototypes were shown to CS army after the war, but since they were already utterly obsolete, the tanks were scrapped in late 1940s.
Picture belongs to T 21, can't find one for T 23M atm.
Hull is the one of T 23M. The stock setup should otherwise correspond the first Š-IIc prototype version. T-21 would get the 2nd engine. T-21 as planned for Hungary would have the 40mm gun. T 22 came with the top engine. T-23M turret got 50mm frontal armor and new gun in form of A11 and of course the second set of tracks corresponds to it. The top gun is almost certainly a fake gun introduced by WG for balacing purposes. If V-8-H gets it, then so does this one. Radios are as usual guesswork.
Plays pretty much like ST vz 39. Worse armor, better DPM, especially on the 40mm, which however lacks penetration against higher tiered targets.
Tatra prototype for a breakthrough tank requested by Czechoslovak army. Development started in 1932 in form of KÚV project. The army changed their requirements in 1934 for purely tracked vehicle and since 1936 Tatra prototypes were tested along with prototpes from Škoda. In the end both Škoda and Tatra prototypes were considered failure and the breakthrough tank project was cancelled. Two prototypes were made.
After the progress checks on both original Škoda and Tatra wheel-cum-track prototypes in 1933 revealed many problems with that design, the army reconsidred and updated the project requirements in 1934.
Tatra provided the first prototype for trials in 1937. The trials ended with epic fail for Tatra and Škoda prototype didn't turn out much better.
In 1938 the project was cancelled and th hulls were moved to military school for educational purposes. One of the prototypes was eventually used for target practice and then scrapped at some point. Second prototype fell into the and of germans and tested, but nothing more is known about its fate.
The prototypes had slight differenced in dimensions, but nothing major. T-III/II would be the ingme chasis.
Turret and guns were always supposed to be delivered by Škoda. Stock turret is the Škoda KÚV turret. The 37mm and 70mm guns represent the armanent of that project. Second turret is the one used on final Š-III / T-III prototypes, same goes for the top gun.
Stock engine was used on T-III prototype back when it was still a wheel-cum-track design. The second engine is from later T-III prototypes. Better top speed and power to weight ratio over the Š-III prototypes are the main reason I've evetually decided to switch Š-III for T-III in this tree.
With reasonably strong engine this tank provides decent enough mobility and good firepower. The armor is still kinda crappy though and HP pool will play a significant role in this tank's survivability. Tall engine compartment means crap gun depression over the back of the tank.
Self-propelled artillery of Soviet origin. Prototyped in 1969, produced between years 1971-1991, over 10 000 were made and many are still in service in armies over the world. ČSLA recieved first vehicles in 1976 and eventually operated over 140 of them. Slovak army still has almost 50 vehicles in service.
Created on basis of MT-LB APC vehicle in Soviet Union, development started in 1967, prototypes created in 1969. Entered the service in USSR in 1972 Over 10k Gvozdikas came to existence in following 20 years (also license-produced in Poland, Bulgaria), still operated by many countries all over the world.
Czechoslovak army had over 140 of these vehicles in service, mostly of Bulgarian origin. Slovakia still has few dozens while Czech army sold them in early 2000s to Uruguay.
Stock configuration is indeed the actual historical 2S1 Gvozdika. Except this is not a light tank. It's an artillery piece. And there's nothing Czechoslovak about it, except we had them in service. As did shitloads of other nations.
The second gun refers to 2S15 Norov - basically a tank destroyer created by giving Gvozdika an experimental 100mm gun - purely Soviet thing.
Second engine is the strongest version of the engine line used in Gvozdika, so not historical. The stock p/w ratio is good enough for a LT, but pretty bad compared to other tier 10 LTs - this engine would be an option for boost. Now this is a tier 10 vehicle, so preferably only one of the engines should be in the game.
You know this is a pretty bad choice for a tier 10 LT, but it is the only usable one:
Why choose this: it has 100mm+ gun, it has mobility and weight of an LT, it was used in ČSLA.
On the other hand: it's not a light tank and is not meant for recon or direct engagement, it has huge profile, Czechoslovakia never manufactured or modified the vehicles and shitloads of other nations used it as well.
For a tier X, the p/w ratio is more like that of a MT rather than LT - resistance buffs will be necessary to push it's mobility closer to other tier X LTs. Historical gun should have good DMG output and work well for close combat assaults with reasonably fast RoF but not so great accuracy, while 100mm is a sniper gun with accuracy well above the other LTs. This is a big paper target, which is why I find the 100mm upgrade for reliable sniping necessery.
Since the camo values can't be exactly stellar, I'd expect it to also have best in game viewrange.
Well, basically anything soft that can be buffed should be buffed to compensate for the main flaws: big silhoulette with no armor, bad gun depression, sub-par p/w ratio. This certainly wouldn't play like the other tier X LTs. More like a paper medium with camo on movement bonus.
Projects for light, turreted tank destroyer/SPG. Concept from 1948, no vehicles were built. Tank destroyer variant used 76.2mm gun, while howitzer variant used 105mm.
SPG projects based on LP platform propesed by Škoda - intended as mobile light turreted tank destroyer (Zb 5916-S) or light howitzer (Zb 5915-S). Concept vehicle based on Ministry of National Defense requests from 1948. Never got to development as the LP chasis project was dropped.
Relatively historical. I'm using this TD as a light tank, since it's fast and small. Speed is buffed, though depends how you look at it - project only states minimum speed.
Stock gun refers to Zb 5915-S 105mm howitzer project, while top turret and guns refer to light tank destroyer setup.
Very fast, small and maneuverable, no armor, ok gun with good handling. Could be extra stealthy. Play with howitzer for oldschool VK28.01 fun.
Zb 5915/5916 concept upgunned to 100mm. No plans were made. [Unhistorical guns make it de facto FAKE.]
Upgunned vehicle from tier 7. Both guns are unhistorical.
Rather than having this as Zb5915 with unhistorical upgrades, I've decided to make it de facto fake vehicle. This is basically the Zb5915/16 vehicle with bigger guns.
The 85mm gun is only there for stock role, although the 105mm howitzer of Zb5915 should have some mount parts rather similiar to 85mm A22 gun.
100mm is a T-54 gun, one of the versions license-produced in Czehoslovakia. It would fit in the turret, not sure about recoil though.
The 100mm gun is mix of various D-10 gun and ammunitions from T-54/lwt with full 320 damage - expecting not very good soft stats, depression/elevation angles or turret traverse. AP penetration is on the low side. Other than that, same as tier 7 LT pretty much.
Škoda project from 1948 for a new light tank built on a new suspension. The project was cancelled in early fifties with no prototypes made.
Škoda company's proposal for a new light tank as well as new light platform. The tank had fairly modern design, but it never made it past the drawing board. Since the Czechoslovak army wasn't interested in new light tanks and exporting taks was virtually impossible under the Soviet influence, the project was ended in early 1950s.
Gun intended for the vehcle was 75mm A26 Škoda autoloader - previous guns are there to have something to research. The engines were never really specified - the stock engine should fit the tank and fits the request for 200hp engine well. The other two were just mentioned in vague terms that more or less make up their description in the tree. Radios were probably never specified.
No projection on the top speed, so I set it to 65 kph.
The 75mm A26 Škoda autoloader is essentialy the same gun as the top gun on T 25, only with fully automatic loading mechanism. In game Id give it worse accuracy and aimtime with huge bloom after firing, but very fast RoF between shots - effectively could empty the 3-shell drum in a second, but without letting it aim like that it would be highly unlikely to actually hit the target. Mid gun should behave like on T 25, except with worse soft stats and while A26 should have an andge in DPM, all three guns should be a viable option for this tank.
Frontal armor of this tank is actually pretty decent thanks to its sloping and occasional bounce may happen. Speed on the tank is pretty good and while bigger than the previous tanks, the overall size is still pretty small.
Overall a smaller faster T-25 with weaker armor, serious accuracy issues on autoloader guns and generally bad reload times on drums.
Post-war project from 1949 for a light tank export project. As Soviet Union de facto banned arms export on the same year, the project was cancelled. Partially built prototype may have existed.
This was a post-war project for a tank built on the 38(t) (TNH) chasis. It featured sloped frontal armor as the one on Jagdpanzer 38(t) and newly designed sloped turret that could take the 57mm autoloader Škoda gun. It was planned for export, however Soviet Union made arms export practically impossible, so it was cancelled. Partially built prototype may have existed.
Stronger of the proposed engines is used and the mobility isn't great - ground resistances boost will be required. Maximum speed of 48kph also sounds more like a fast medium - considering that TNH nA did over 70kph with basically the same chasis (although that was probably a ton or two lighter vehicle), I've buffed the top speed to 65 kph.
The gun has decent PEN an bad alpha, also bad gun depression, but compensates for it with good burst potential and decent reload time. Tank itslef is small, stealthy, mobility is decent, although not entirely scout-like.
Further development of last Škoda T 15 prototype. It featured sloped frontal armor and was used as a testbed for some of the Škoda autoloading guns. No more prototypes were built.
Not much is known about the T 16 tank - it was a development of T 15 with sloped frontal armor and it is said that Škoda autoloading guns were tested on it.
The photo used for an icon is the closes thing and pretty much the only usable image of T 16. Hell Im not even sure it is the right tank, but it was described as such and the suspension does look a lot like on T 15 and it does seem to have the sloped frontal armor. So unless I find some more reliable data, this is T 16.
As I said, not much data is available. I used most things from T 15.
The second turret is in fact a T 12 turret, aka one of the turrets from upgraded export versions of LT vz 35. It is said that LT vz 35 turret was used on a T 15 in attempt to quickly press the prototype into service near the end of the war, but war ended before that could happen. Also this turret was able to take a 47mm gun, which makes it a good choice for the above mentioned gun testing.
The 57mm A25 autoloader gun was also mentioned as being tested on this vehicle, it may be added as new top gun if A24 appears to be lacking.
Regarding the A24 and A25 penetration values. I've eventually tried various ways of approximating the gun's penetration for WoT (100m flat). I'm no expert, I mostly used values from guns with similiar performance or properties and extra/interpolated with that, getting various results with various source data. Basically, I think the A23 autoloader already present in the game is somewhat buffed from cca 70mm of PEN to ingame 82mm. With that in mind, I buffed the A24 and A25 results in similiar manner.
For A24 I mostly ended up with results of cca 87-90mm, but some went as high as 111mm. For now I'll stick with 90mm, though greater buff wouldn't be out of question for Škoda T16.
For A25 (see TNH 57/900, Leták) the numbers got me 110-144mm penetration, but in most cases 129-131mm. 130mm it is then.
The vehicle is slightly lighter and thus slightly more maneuverable than T 15. Sloped armor won't help much, but some mid-caliber HE rounds won't pen it frontally. The 47mm autoloader has sub-par penetration, but good soft stats, including fast drum reload time. Other than that, same as previous vehicle.
Škoda T 15 was one of the contesting designs for new reconnaissance vehicle for german army, however during the trials the tank design was deemed as unrefined. Five prototypes were made between 1941 and 1945.
When Germany looked for a new scout tank in 1940, three manufacturers submitted their prototypes: MAN submitted the VK 13.03, ČKD(then BMM) submitted the TNH nA and Škoda entered with T 15. In the end MAN won the contract (although the TNH nA proved to be superior during the tests in 1942) and VK 13.03 came to be known as Luchs. Škoda T 15 was deemed unrefined and returned to factory. Škoda built total of 5 prototypes between 1941-1945 and continued on imporving their design, but all were eventually scraped.
In case the tank would get manufactured, a new turret from Daimler-Benz was planned for it, which would mount the 5cm KwK 39 L/60 gun.
Stock configuration reflects the variant that underwent the trials. (Expcet maybe for radio as I'm not entirely sure which one was used.)
The Daimler Benz turret should basically corespond to the VK 16.02 Leopard turret.
The second engine was suggested by Škoda in one of their prototypes, the T 15D.
Basically the German tier 3 premium with upgrades, made historical. The most obvious difference is the second turret with 5cm gun. Now not much is known about the turret, but all things considered, the VK 16.02 Leopard turret seems to be the closest real thing to whatever was intended for the tank. So, yeah, basically a T-15 with Luchs turret. The turret and the gun of course make the tank noticeably heavier.
The 5cm gun has better penetration stats than it's German counterpart, which is nerfed compared to reality, fow whatever the reason may be. (The PEN numbers are historical, but for a 30° sloped armor.) Anyway I buffed it to more proper levels for use in Czechoslovak tree.
In top configuration the tank still has healthy 20.5hp/t and a punchy gun for a tier 4 scout.
Light tank of the TNH series derived from LLT - series originally meant for Lithuania were bought by Slovak army in 1940 with some adjustments and used under the designation LT-40.
TNH tanks were originally built around the Praga TN engine and intended for export. While the general construction remains the same, the TNH variants have different dimensions, armor profiles, guns, engines, and other equipment as requested by customer.
First prototype was made in 1935 and first series of 50 tanks went to Iran as TNH-P (Persian).
In 1936 Lithuania took interest in these tanks. Several prototypes were designed for Luthuania (TNH-L, LTL) until in 1939 they finally decided to buy the altered variant of LTH, designated LLT. In the end the trade never happened as Lithuania became part of Soviet Union and all manufactured 21 LLT tanks ended up re-equipped as LTS in Slovak army under the army designation LT-40.
There were many variants of TNH tanks. In order to leave LTH for possible Swiss tech tree, I've decided to switch it for LT-40 used by the fascist state of Slovakia. It is thus "more Czechoslovak" than LTH, although not as good or interesting I'd say.
Stock turret is from LLT, top is the LTS turret - LLT modified for mounting 37mm guns. Guns are 20mm Oerlikon autocanon planned for the LTL/LLT tanks. A7 was requested by Slovakia, while A3 was used on Peruan TNH variant - LTP.
Radios. German Fu5 was used LT-40.
Various engines were used on the TNH tanks. TN-100 engine was used on the original TNH-P, 125hp TNHPS was used with most of the TNH variants.
Effectively a LT vz. 38 with standard gun, less armor and slightly smaller silhoulette and better P2W ratio, if not speed. Gun handling should be pretty good.
First Czechoslovak tank to be accepted into service. It quickly became obvious that 15mm of armor won't be sufficient in combat and the tanks were soon replaced by LT vz. 35. One prototype and 50 series vehicles were made between 1932 and 1935. By the time WW2 broke out the vehicle was already outdated.
Light tank, pattern 34 was the first Czechoslovak-made tank accepted into service. Development started in ČKD in 1932 with prototype finished late 1932. After mostly positive results of both company and army tests, 50 vehicles were ordered and accepted into service in 1935. By then it was already obvious that 15mm of armor would be insufficient in combat.
As LT vz. 35 became the main tank of Czechoslovak army, LT vz. 34 was considered for recon role, but that didn't really work well since the tanks were slow and noisy. In the end the tanks were used for traning.
In 1937 ČKD came with several upgrades to LT vz. 34: New transmission, enhanced suspension (the old one had a bad habit of losing tracks on fast turns), extra 10mm of armor, new Scania engine and the A7 gun intended for LT vz. 38. Tests the upgraded prototype (designated P-II-R, R stands for Reconstructed) were overwhelmingly positive and it was decided to upgrade all 50 tanks to this "34R" standard, which however never happened, because occupation 'n' stuff.
While some were used as small fortifications in Slovakia, the vehicles never really saw combat and were eventually scrapped.
There were many tanks and prototypes that could fill in the role of tier 2 light tank vehicle, but the LT vz. 34 is certainly of greatest importance thanks to actually being accepted in service and manufactured in greater numbers (50 + 1 prototype).
The historical configuration of LT vz. 34 corresponds to the stock setup with 2nd gun. The stock gun (47mm Vickers) is what ČKD planned to use on the vehicle, before army declined such setup and requested the 37mm Škoda A3 gun instead.
The top configuration corresponds to LT vz. 34R upgrade proposal (missng the A7 gun though) which existed in form of the upgraded prototype that successfully underwent trials.
Hull armor profile corresponds with standard LT vz. 34. The P-II-R turret has 25mm in the front compared to original turret, but I do not know the exact armor profiles - it might be that sides and rear were also uparmored. (Actually I took the the armor thickness of stock turret from the hull data as none of my sources had turret-specific data on armor.)
I do not know the exact model of 47mm Vickers gun that ČKD originally planned to use on the tank, so I used the one that is already in the game - on tier 1 Kolohousenka. ČKD had license on the 47mm Vickers gun, which is why they wanted it for LT vz. 34. On the other hand Kolohousenka historically mounted only the 37mm stock gun. My guess is WG used the same 47mm Vickers gun as an upgrade to KH.
Two different engine powers are mentioned for the historical (stock) engine: 62.5hp and 67hp. I'll go with 67hp - it won't do much difference either way. Sources varied even more on scarce details on the second engine - the most probable engine seems to be the TNHPS rated at 125hp.
Known designations: P-II (prototype/company designation); LT vz. 34 (army designation); P-II-R (1937 enhanced prototype designation); LT vz. 34 R (army designation intended for upgraded LT vz. 34 vehicles).
Historical LT vz. 34 is sadly rather underwhelming vehicle - only firepower is comparable with LT vz. 35. The 15mm of armor is useless and the engine power makes this tank more sluggish than most heavies (below 9 hp/t ratio) - not very nice for what is supposed to be lighter, faster line. With the upgrades from P-II-R prototype however this tank would become rather fast and dangerous machine - which is why I removed the A7 37mm gun (which P-II-R was also supposed to get) from the proposal.
Considering the historical problems with losing tracks in fast turns on original suspensions, the stock suspension should have rather low HP pool and bad traverse rate.
Both turret and engine upgrades should require researching the P-II-R suspension first.
The tank would be faster and have slightly worse gun performance than LT vz. 35.
Development of the T 40 tank was suggested by the Škoda company under the TVP (general purpose tank) program in 1946. The vehicle design was developed; however, a prototype was never built.
Competition to Škoda T 50 of the TVP project. There is very little known about T 51 - it was to have 5 roadwheels, not the pike nose of T 50. In development during 1949, possibly few years before that as well. At the end of that year the projects were merged into T50/51.
Two competitors were in on the TVP project for the new Czechoslovak MBT. Škoda with T 50, ČKD (Praga) with T 51. The T 51 project ended as the companies were made to cooperate on the effort with the new joint project - T50/51 (TNH tA is used on Praga schematics).
Very little is known about the T 51. It supposedly had only 5 roadwheels a front hull without the pike nose and Praga developed their own 1000hp AXK engine for the project. The rest can be at best derived from project requirements, but generally speaking the vehicle shouldn't be too different from T 50.
SilentStalker claimed that WG did find more information on the tank during their research on Czechoslovak vehicles, however it was found too late to be implemented to the game along with the line. If that is true, I'd say we'll see it come to the game as tier 8 premium rather sooner than later.
The Image is just a mock-up made of T 50 and 57/900. I have no idea how the vehicle actually looked.
I have really just copied stats from T 50 as there is no actual info available right now. At least the gun and the engine should be historical.
Considering that T 51 should be a tier 8 premium, rather than tier 9, I go with stock A20 gun, which will do just fine on tier 8. Further soft stats nerfs may be necessary, not only to gun handling, but to the tanks mobility as well - I'm not aware of Praga engines meant for TVP besides the AXK 1000hp one, which would make it pretty darn fast. ČKD was meant to prepare a solution to mount the Soviet V2 500hp engine, but that came only later on the 50/51 project.
The other issue with this tank is that TVP VTU is kinda crappy tier 8 medium and this premium would be better in basically everything. However WG likes tier 8 premium vehicles and will no doubt use the T 51 as one if possible, since there are no other good candidates.
Basically AMX CDC mobility, Pz58 armor, with worse gun handling and better alpha.
Post-war project of self-proppeled howitzer similiar in construction the Jagdpanzer 38(t), built on TVP chasis. Proposed in 1948, existed only on paper - project was cancelled in 1950/51.
Project for tank destroyer with construction similiar to Jagdpanzer 38(t), based on the TVP chasis. Proposed by Škoda was one of several projects that came to existence in 1948 during the meeting of Škoda and CS army representatives. It was to be fast, lightly armored, armed with 152mm howitzer gun. In early 1950s this and all related projects were cancelled and Czechoslovakia started using and license-building Soviet vehicles. Unlike the 100mm versio of this vehicle, which had the gun centered on the chasis, 152mm version has the gun displaced to the side.
The 152mm howitzer wasn't specified, K7 seems to be the closest option. Overall, pretty historical.
Fast and maneuverable SU-152, better RoF and somewhat more accurate, but also bigger and less armored target.
This proposal is based on info from several, mostly czech sites about armoured tech (most importantly the valka.cz and utocnavazoba.wz.cz, also for example panzernet.net and occasionaly some other sites I frankly don't remember). WoT wiki and tanks.gg were used when devising pentration stats. Info from following books was used: Českoskoslovenská obrněná vozidla 1918-1948, Exportní lehké tanky Praga, Exportní tančíky Praga, Československé tankové síly 1945-1992 by V.Francev, Obrněná technika 1944-2001 Výroba v Slovenskej republike by Š. Zupko and J. Zupko and Od bodáku po tryskáče by M. Dubánek. Especially the first one on the list was very useful. SilentStalker's articles from FTR were also used for lots various info and as basis for mainly the LT line and some info was takn from Yuri Pasholoks articles on Warspot.ru.
I got kinda fed up with all this as I was putting together the TD line, which you can probably guess from vehicle descriptions getting pretty short on TDs. So while I was planning to add some details to this proposal, for the forseeable future I'm not making any major changes to the page itself.
Tank stats on the left are always meant for the top config by the way - should be historical, can't say that for sure with some gun depression stats though. Oh and images are not to scale, obviously. Blue backshadow highlights "new" modules (not turrets and tracks), while red module background means the module would be too heavy for stock tracks. Red outline means unhistorical module (not used when only minor details are wrong). I don't go into stuff like aimtime, reload time, etc. besides some approximations in tank details texts. These are ultimately balance parameters. Even the number of shells in magazine is there rather to make obvious it's an autoloader gun. Overall, the module listing is probably what differentiates this proposal most from whichever there were before, although the line setups are also fairly unique afaik.
Default ammo on new guns is AP with roughly historical stats, while premium is APCR, which may be fake on some guns. APCR penetration is approximated. Exceptions now have the ammo types specified.
Penetration value on some new guns may not be historical, but by now all differences should be below 10mm of PEN where some data were available. This is mostly a combination of gun performace needs and similiar WG enhancements already made to some guns. There are some "generic" guns with liitle to no parameters available - these have stats created according to the needs of the tree.
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Polish tree proposal - made by a bunch of people, see their About section. I'm not directly associated with this one - the folks made a lot of modifications to the design.
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May 5th 2016 - Updated 88mm guns PEN to 9.15 values. (T 40, TVP VTU)
April 24th 2016 - Slight nerf to 76mm guns' alpha. Removed TNH nA premium for having way too underpowered gun. Added Škoda T 12 on tier 3 instead.
April 20th 2016 - Slight nerf to LT8 top gun standard and premium ammo penetrations, adjusted number of shells in LT7 drums. Minor fixes in texts.
April 2nd 2016 - just some small edits to T23M and putting ATT back to tier 4.
March 12th 2016 - Made more changes based on input from people on The Armored Patrol (thanks guys, especially Sebastianul for posting it) and more:
March 2016 - I've made some changes:
When the Czechoslovak tree was introduced into the game, I was happy that our nation is finally getting one. On the other hand I was disappointed that the tree is in fact only a single medium branch. Japanese got their not very impressive light tank line right from the start and we don't? We had more light tank material and they would mostly be proper scouts. And there are some light tanks I was really hoping to see in the game, like the LT vz 34 - first Czechoslovak-made tank that was built in numbers, or TNH 57/900 - really cool looking post-war light tank project. And the AH-IV tankette, one of the few actually sucessful tankettes ever built - now that I know there was a plan for 20mm autocanon version I know it can be done.
Anyways, adding the light branch was the main purpose of this thingy. As light lines were prolonged to tier 10, vehicles on tiers up to 8 actualy turned out to fit the tree quite weel in their historical setups. Problem was with the new tiers - tier 9 and 10 vehicles are not very fitting. Tier 9 has to utilise 2 unhistorical/fake guns to work on this tier at all and tier 10 is hardly czechoslovak or even a light tank. Still they are in my opinion the best options, should the complete Czechoslovak light line be implemented.
Some vehicles from german and soviet tree reapear, namely the T-15 (with upgrades), Hetzer (upgunned), SU-100 (upgunned).
I've buffed the top speed on some vehicles using either LP or TNH nA chasis, As for LP based ones there was only ever a requirement to achieve at least 55kph and TNH nA did achieve speeds over 70kph during tests even though the official number was 65kph I think.
So that would be the first upgrade to the CS tree - scout line with TNH 57/900 as introductory premium. Generally speaking, these are almost all small tanks with good camo rating, usually great power to weight ratio and in most cases also a good gun depression, but paper armor. Number of them has low caliber autoloaders that would use burst damage instead of single-shot alpha, while their drum reload times are well comparable to single-shot gun reloads thanks to small magazines and low-caliber shells.
The tier 2 Škoda Š-II serves as a gift premium proposal - it is the least shitty of the alternatives and most importantly, it looks most different from all these pre-war Czechoslovak tanks. Besides that one there is a whole bunch of posible tier 2 and 3 premium candidates. After removing TNH nA from the tree, I've added Škoda T12 on tier 3 as alternative gift tank.
Along with the scout line I would also consider adding an alternative low-tier medium line. These tanks aren't particularly special in game terms, but they do carry some historical importance and provide the ability to start playing mediums from tier 2 onwards.
Low tier mediums: The Škoda Š-IIc/T21/22/23M series of prototypes were fairly important, even if they were never mass produced. This tank may have lost the contest for Czechoslovak medium tank to ST vz39, but ended up being much more influential, since it was later produced in Hungary as 40M Turán, thus serving as basis for Turán and Zrínyi series of vehicles. T-III/Š-III were the "heaviest" czechoslovak designs in their time, although both ended up as failure. Some call them heavy, but officially they were medium breakthrough tanks and there is no point in treating them as heavies when you don't have a heavy branch. The Š-III predecessor on tier 2 was the first attempt for "big" czechoslovak tank, with roots in late 1920s. Tatra had one too, but the one from Škoda seems to be better documented. (Kinda sad about switching Š-III for T-III, meaning that the line is no longer "Škoda medium" line, but I'd prefer having a more decent tank there.)
There are many alteranatives for tier 3, but those lack modules for upgrading and generally look same as most other pre-war CS tanks - class III vehicles are the most interesting ones, maybe along with ŠP-IIb - sort of predecessor to the Š-IIc on tier 4 - but it lacks modules for upgrades.
Tier 4 premium to go with this medium minibranch would be the Atypic Tatra tank, which had a very unique construction and could provide interesting gameplay.
Top guns on T-23M is the same 47mm as on ST vz 39 - that is a Wargaming fake to make gun competetive on T4 MT afaik. I'm trying to keep this proposal rather historical (outside radios - I know hardly anything about those), but if WG already did somthing like that, I won't hesitate to use it to solve issues.
Last part was the TD line, added because "I might as well while I'm at it." TD line can be done, but it's a rather problematic one. Using actual existing Czechoslovak stuff one will get to tier 4 with "Hetzer". Throw in some upgunning proposals, wartime and post-war projects, license-produced Soviet tech and I stretched it up to tier 9. And that's it. There was really no need for anything with bigger guns (not counting the artillery). Meaning there was no actual vehicle or project that could become the tier 10 tank destroyer. Afaik. The problem is that if there's no tier 10 TD, Wargaming won't make the line. So SilentStalker came with a bunch of fake proposals for tier 10. In the end I came up with one fake of my own, based on vehicle from 2000s but using the tech from 1970s. Eventually I've dropped that and ended up with a 152mm howitzer varint of tier 9 TD. The howitzer is not very well specified, which makes it well balanceable, especially if we apply the brutal HE damage to it in JP heavy style.
Generally, most of these TDs again work with speed and good RoF. Alpha and pen are so-so, while the armor is no-no. Tiers 3,9,10 have fully traversible turret. Tiers 3,8,9 use autoloaders.
TDs arent particularly my thing anyway, and same could be said about SPGs. SPGs are now also part of the tree - it has it's own issues. There is a limited amount of guns and vehicles, basically I was originally planning to use 240mm and 305mm mortars for tiers 9,10 respectively, but 305mm is just overkill, especially after the arty nerf, so I had to stretch the smaller guns to tier 9. 240mm is not mentioned in most sources I use, which makes it problematic - the one source I am basing this on states that the gun is rifled, however it is not the most reliable source ever... unfortunately there is no proper slef-propelled howitzer between above 15cm, so I had to go with Kominík...